Since we have the True Retentino table now, I don’t see a reason to keep the Answer Buttons chart.
Those two charts show two different kinds of information. I don’t see why they’d replace one another.
Besides, I think Danika_Dakika pointed out a while ago that seeing the answer buttons graph can be useful in “debugging” stuff like misuse of hard.
(And in case you want the answer button graph removed because you’re in favor of 2-button mode: I’m still going to argue that 4 button mode – or rather 3, as I only use 3 – should stay. That includes graphs for that kind of thing)
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I posted recently mentioning it’d be nice to be able to personalize the stats screen
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And in case you want the answer button graph removed because you’re in favor of 2-button mode
Not really, I just think that the having both the Answer Buttons graph and the True Retention table is redundant and confusing.
I acknowledge that the graphs are easy to understand for me and that I have a difficult time understanding why people struggle with them. I also know you’re trying to make it easier for the average user.
But I also don’t understand your reasoning behind this. Let’s take this as an example:
The Answer Buttons graph shows how often I pressed the corresponding buttons (again, hard, good, easy) in a certain time frame.
The True Retention graph on the other hand doesn’t show that at all. You can only see info on young and mature (not on learning, unlike with the Answer Buttons graph) and you won’t be able to see how often you pressed which button.
I think both graphs serve a different purpose, as they are displaying other kinds of information.
Which means I cannot understand the redundancy part that you’re talking about, nor the part where it’s confusing – could you elaborate on it a bit, please?
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Redundancy: both show percentages related to using answer buttons.
Confusion: imagine that you are a new user trying to figure out which percentage tells you how well Anki is working. Do you think it’s easy to tell? I don’t think so.
I also think that we should keep Answer Buttons.
As we previously discussed during the True Retention redesign: there is some overlap in the data they show, but I think they are telling you two distinct things.
Also as much as I love True Retention I don’t think it does a good job of telling a new user “how well Anki is working” and I don’t think sacrificing Answer Buttons will help. That feels much more the domain of something like David’s Health Check.
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Better than the Answer Buttons one, though.
would be way better than removing things outright. theres a name for this particular pattern, but something like the hassio dashboard editor. could mayhaps be applied application wide even.
Also in favor of removing the answer buttons chart
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How can you see how much you pressed ‘2’ vs ‘3’ using anything BUT the answer buttons graph?
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Fair, but at the same time, don’t you feel like having two charts for information that is so closely related isn’t great and we should have one, unified chart/table/something?
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I agree that could be better. But your topic is just about removing the Answer Buttons graph, not about unifying and then removing it.
It seems like you think they are showing the same/closely-related information because you’re thinking about retention outcomes only. Frequency of button presses is separate. While we’ve used it for a long time as the most convenient way to get to retention percentages, now we have something else for that – the True Retention table. That doesn’t make the Answer Buttons graph moot. It’s just a different thing.
I don’t think that most users look at those 2 graphs/tables and say, “Wait a second! Why does this one say 90.32% and this one says 90.4%?” They won’t be looking at Answer Buttons for those retention results anymore.
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I agree but want to point out that 90.32% → 90.3%.
Maybe there is a good way to unify those two tables though, if unifying them is Expertiums goal. But I have to admit: I cannot think of a good way right of the bat.
Actually, that is what I had in mind: users seeing many different percentages and being unsure what’s the difference and which one they should be looking at.
Oh, I wasn’t suggesting that rounding was throwing folks off 
– the graph/table can give different figures because they come from different places.
Since it’s always been hard to convince folks that Answer Buttons can be used for that purpose, I just don’t think folks will be bothered. And anyone who has been using Answer Buttons for that purpose will be pretty easy to explain it to, right?
[Although, I’ve only given the explanation in the SM-2 vs. FSRS context, and the TrueR chart shows up for everyone, right?]
I agree with this and with keeping both graphs.
I think we should incorporate “Answer Button” data into “True Retention”. One simple way (or complicated from user-side) would be to show a breakdown of “Pass” rating in a pop-up etc.
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How about a “Detailed” button that breaks Pass into Hard/GoodEasy by adding more columns?