First of all, sorry to both of you for my crappy attitude. I repeatedly sense faintly toxic RTFM-vibes on these forums that are out of line with how people actually learn using software but me being a dick is not helping.
We don’t include many screenshots in the manual and FAQ
I should have been more clear: I am not complaining about that fact. It make perfect sense to keep the manual lean and localizable.
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Can I answer my own questions, even if I knew the answer before asking? - Meta Stack Exchange - Answer: “Yes! […] It’s even been encouraged since the very beginning of time.”
point of […] Anki Forums […] for folks to ask questions and get help – not to post “screenshot tutorials” for basic features.
I’ll assume you do not oppose people helping others by tutorializing their answers.
I’m assuming the benefit of screenshots is not under discussion. Just in case, here’s a screenshot of a context menu with the target menu item highlighted:
A resource with the text “Right click and select Find Duplicates” requires much more attention than having a screenshot along the text which instantly shows you how the context menu should look (so if it’s different you know you probably clicked in the wrong place) and it shows you where the menu item is located so you don’t have to read one after the other until you find the right one, in particular helpful to people under pressure, with low attention spans, or with dyslexia.
A reminder: I wrote my post as a new thread because this thread was locked. Even if it wasn’t the post marked “SOLVED” is incorrect by now. A new thread would be more helpful, unless moderators can change what is marked solved. Otherwise visitors entering this page are directed to a wrong answer at the top of the page.
Next time the UI changes again, a new thread with “(2031)” at the end would likely be a good solution.
So, are you saying what I did is worse than doing nothing? I couldn’t reply to the old locked thread, and it contributes to the pollution of Google with incorrect answers. Do you disagree that my action is a valid attempt to improve the path to a solution for people who use Google in a similar way as me? Or is there an actual way for users like me to improve the situation?
Or should we let the forums rot with outdated and unanswered threads and use Reddit (adding screenshots sucks on Reddit) and ‘anki’ Questions on Super User (extremely low use so far) instead?
contribute to documenting Anki […]. the documentation is the main place for that – not these Forums
You established that the documentation limits screenshot use. For a good reason. I established that screenshots are incredibly useful. Clearly contributing specific user story screenshot tutorials to the documentation is out of the question.
I also assume that the documentation aims to be concise and not cover every single use case. So covering the same functionality by describing the many perspectives from which users might need help is probably also not an option for the documentation.
You must be painfully aware of the fact that people do search and ask about their specific use cases, not being aware of circumstances (see my other recent thread), using specific letters rather than overarching terms, not knowing/thinking of what a ° is called, especially when encountering these symbols for the first time while learning a language using Anki.
Perhaps you hope to fix that? Google AI Overview states “Approximately 2.5 million first-time, first-year college students enroll in U.S. higher education each year.” Anki is likely to increasingly prioritize growth since the restructure. Ignoring the fact that the forums fill holes in the documentation and are one of the primary places Google points to doesn’t seem helpful. I’m assuming people mainly use Google and ChatGPT to learn about Anki.
before you start proposing things, you should make sure you have a really good understanding of the features
To know that I would have to know Anki. I only (barely) know what I think I need to reach my learning goals within Anki. I’m trying to learn a language, not to become an Anki expert. When I see blatant mistakes marked as solutions on the forums in locked threads, it seems trivially easy to make a thread with the same title and updated solution. Apparently Cunningham’s Law, the edit button and me re-visiting the forum can take care of mistakes which I introduce.
When I googled my issue (anki find a á à), this thread was one of the top results. I created a new thread with the same title + indication of how recent it is, linked to the old answer, stated it is wrong, added my specific use case (make searching for a also find á à â etc). The hope is that this will make Google update its results. Not overnight. After days, weeks.
“screenshot tutorials” for basic features
I don’t get the point. Are you hinting at my particular instructions or screenshots being bad? If so, fair, but please be more blunt and I might be able to improve it. Or are you complaining about people wanting/needing screenshots in general? Or implying that Anki noobs and people not willing to read the manual do not deserve to be helped on their terms (by “their terms” i mean “based on how they word their problem”)?
The reality of needing help with basic features for Anki is that learners are interrupting their studying session while in the zone, frustrated, under time pressure, Google offers many pages, many without a solution or wrong/outdated.
My experience of Google results for Anki help is that it seem to consist mainly of a tag team of three: Anki Forums, Reddit and Anki Extensions. The documentation doesn’t seem to rank high. (again: just my experience)
I searched for “anki find e é ê” and this topic did not show up.
I didn’t pay attention and didn’t notice you changed a to e. So your original complaint was that my post does not cover many use cases?
I searched for “anki find a á à”. Google pointed me to this forum. Google was apparently smart enough to conclude that my question should be answered here. It used to be correct, but it didn’t consider that the software changed since.
I concluded:
- There might be others who search exactly what I searched and who will be helped by this thread being replaced by one with a correct solution. So I used the same thread title plus year addition.
- The thread has 800+ views, so even with other search terms, this thread seems to pop up in people’s searches. Due to AI scraping it might affect Google overviews / ChatGPT replies without increasing the view count. Thus it is a good thing to try to replace this thread in search rankings.
Anyways, I edited and added some stuff ChatGPT suggested to try to help with your complaint about the guide not being all-encompassing by adding lots of examples. [EDIT: I tested them, they work]
No it won’t.
Not yet. Search engine updates can take days, weeks, months.
Your post just adds to the bloat on the internet
Perhaps you wish for a world where people do not start searches for their specific problems while being in the zone trying to cram, but instead first become aware of the big picture of what they are doing/trying to achieve and perhaps also RTFM first to know Ankis exact terminology? I do not intend to be sarcastic this time - this would be nice but it’s probably out of touch with reality. I know it is for me.
I guess all I can do is to encourage you to consider the perspective of learning impaired / dyslexic / stressed / first year learners out there. And the reality of the forums ranking high in Anki help searches with all of the outdated or unanswered threads.
EDIT: One reason why I’m coming in hot is that I attribute Anki to saving my current efforts of learning a foreign language. I was on the brink of cancelling lessons but finally managed to force myself to learn vocabulary with Anki, enabling me to stop falling behind class. It breaks my heart to see the Anki experience potentially degrading because of the de facto documentation on the forums not catching up with the efforts of the devs at improving the software. Over the years I have seen so many software forums decay with toxic RTFM mentality that It’s hard to resist matching the vibes when perceiving them.