Allow repositioning review/due-cards and study them in that custom order

First, please excuse my English… I’m French

As a medical student, I use Anki for 5 years. It’s probably the most efficient way to learn a paramount amount of knowledge.

I set my decks to learn review-cards (green ones) before new-cards (blue ones). I also learn both of them in order (“order added” for review sort order) so it makes more sens when I learn (especially when I don’t have the time to learn a deck or a subdeck during weeks).

The majority of the concepts that we learn are explained in several books (diabetes for instance, in endocrinology, neurology, gynecology, pediatric, nephrology, …).

If I create cards from a first book which only explains the clinical features of a syndrome (peripheral neuropathy of diabetes in endocrinology), few months later (time during which I learned diabetes cards based on endocrinology book) a second book will provides more informations on a concept I’ve already seen and whose cards are in the middle of the deck (peripheral neuropathy of diabetes in neurology book).

After I learn the second books cards, the due-cards (green ones) of diabetes deck for exemple will not be in the order (endocrinology cards, and then neurology cards).

After 4 or 5 books for a single concept, you can easily imagine that I totally lose the benefits of the “learn in order settings” for my review-cards.

A way to solve this would be to allow repositioning review/due-cards (not only new ones) so we can study them in order (according to their position) when we chose “order adding”-setting for the “review sort order”.

Thanks a lot !

Wouldn’t using subdecks for individual books and setting the review sort order to “Deck, then due date” work better in this case?

thanks for the answer and tell me If I’m misunderstanding.

you suggest to create a deck for each book, and a subdeck for each "disease”.

The problem is that I gonna review my endocrinology cards and see some diabetes during it, some Cushing syndrome, hyperthyroidism…, and then during my neurology reviews, see Parkinson’s disease, some stoke, seizure disorder, and again some diabetes.

It’s rather scattered.

Furthermore, our books often provide common information, so I wouldn’t know in which deck I should create cards of concepts that are in three or four different books.

Something I forgot is that I tag the cards according to the books in which they appear, in case I want to review with filtered deck.

Thanks again for your answer

It’s not exactly clear to me what kind of ordering you are trying to achieve, so I used a book as an example of a single review unit. You can change the hierarchy of decks and subdecks to whatever suits your needs. The point is that if your cards come in blocks, which you want to control the review order of, making a subdeck from each block will allow you reordering them at any point.

To be sure I understand :

If I want to add a new card in the middle of a deck (a deck I already learned, so I can’t reposition its cards), I should split this deck into 2 different subdecks, then create another subdeck which only contains one card (the one I want to add), and change the hierarchy of my 3 subdecks to have it all in the good order.

It could work, but takes a lot of time and creates a lot of subdecks for a single deck (diabetes for example) when it comes to add 5 or 10 single cards at 5 or 10 different places in my deck, for each new books I read on the concept of the deck (diabetes).

About the diabetes deck I created (initially from endocrinology books) and learned, for the moment I already added 20 cards (from nutrition and neurology books) that should fit into 10 different places in that deck to make the order logical. That means I should split my original diabetes deck into 11 subdecks to insert correctly 10 blocks of new-cards subdecks (with some block only containing 1 new card).

Sorry if I still haven’t understood what you mean.

If you mean what I understood, thanks anyway, it’s a good idea I didn’t think about. I can still use this idea with some little subjects treated by few books.

Hoping one day we can just reposition review-cards and not only new ones, it will much easier ^^

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Hoping one day we can just reposition review-cards and not only new ones, it will much easier

The assumption is that if you’re just looking at a card, you probably already know it; you don’t need to study it; it’s literally just a test. Why change the order here?
Only new cards can be ordered, since you know one card and it’s gone until tomorrow, you move another one in 10 minutes, and you don’t know the current one and it should be shown again in 1 minute.
If you want to review something, just before an exam, that’s what the filter is for.

I see a flaw in the standard training, the way it sets 1m and 10m, because I think that’s not enough for good memorization. I set at least 1m, 10m, and 1h, and even then, it usually doesn’t work out in an hour. The main thing is to do 1m and 10m, and what’s written as 1h should be done before bed. That’s more effective. Some don’t consider learning complete in 1 minute 10 minutes, but instead set (for the beginning of the evening session) 1 minute 10 minutes 1 hour 6 hours 1 day 3 days 7 days—here, 1 hour is before bed, so 6 hours is in the morning. We reinforce the new learning with morning review. Then, 1 day, 3 days, 7 days—and they think that’s enough for high-quality memorization, and then the card becomes repeatable.
Everyone has their own experience with Anki; you should just try it on a simple test deck.

You have many subjects.
For each, you create a deck, let’s say: Subject 1, Subject 2, Subject 3.
Each subject is studied in specific time periods: a month, a semester, or a year. It’s best to divide it into the period during which you have assessments. For us, this can be a course, usually a year, and a course is divided into semesters (semesters). The folder hierarchy looks like this:
Subject 1
–Course 1
----Semester 1
----Semester 2
–Course 2
----Semester 3
----Semester 4
–Course 3
----Semester 5
----Semester 6

You look at these folders and immediately see how much knowledge you have on a particular subject for a given semester.
If you set the timeframe for the subjects you’re studying for a period you’re confident you’ll know (for some, 1m, 10m, 1d, 3d is enough, but it’s good to remember that it takes 14 days of daily repetition to form a habit), then even if you miss the subjects you’re reviewing, it’s no big deal.

So, we’ve come to the point where, if we’ve arranged the books so beautifully, how are we supposed to prepare for the second-year exam and the end-of-year exam? This means it’s for semesters 3 and 4, and not all the questions are there, just some? In the card overview, you highlight all the questions for semesters 3 and 4 (simply look at Course 2) and exclude the questions that weren’t included in the exam. Then, you tag all these entries as “exam.” So, when selecting groups of questions on a single topic, you can add the label “Topic 1” (in your case, “Diabetes”).

Then you can use the filter to select, say, Course 2 and all questions labeled “Diabetes” and “Exam.” If you select questions in the order you added the cards, the cards with “Diabetes” will be selected in the order you studied them. This way, you can select a single topic for all semesters of a single course, or you can select “Diabetes” from across your entire collection, meaning across all subjects. Filtering allows you to revisit these cards, even repeatedly, since you can configure it so that answer statistics aren’t taken into account. This filtering is described in the help.
I also use the filtering feature: I select a group of questions by marking them with a red flag. Then I filter by the flag color and only review questions with the red flag. If I already know the question, I mark it green. Then, the next time you re-set the filter, it won’t appear. If the question was difficult, I mark it with an orange flag. So, The easiest and slightly difficult questions are eliminated. A selection is made of the difficult ones, which are essential to repeat. Those left with a red flag are those that can’t be easily memorized. It’s advisable to avoid taking too many red questions at once, perhaps 20. If a person studies at all, they know half the material, which means half the questions might be easy, leaving only 10—the optimal amount of knowledge that needs to be repeated several times and thoroughly learned. It’s possible that one question out of 10 just won’t be learned; it’s extremely difficult. You can then mark it in a different color and perhaps skip studying altogether. You might get lucky and not be asked it, but you’ll save a lot of time and be better prepared for the remaining 90% of questions.

Well, you’ll still say you need a special order. Okay, let’s export it as a regular TXT file, without specifying the deck or numbers, and when importing this TXT file, specify that it be copied to another deck. Now We have two decks. This new one allows you to create an additional field, N, and manually set the order you want. Or simply sort the list of entries by the desired field, and then press the “Move” button to create a new order for the cards… or shuffle them and go through them again, or filter the cards you need and go through them like a regular deck.

Create a new profile and try something out.

Indeed, I should know the answer of the cards I’m looking at and they are a kind of test. But let’s remind that even tests/exams have an order in their questions.

Also, I set the maximum interval at 4 months. And because I don’t always have time to review all my cards, having them in a logical order helps me to make connections and to understand them (even if a already saw them). That’s why the “order added - review sort order ” exists. But as I explained in my previous messages, this feature “no longer works” due to the fact that many concepts are explained in several books and in different ways.

Unfortunately, the exams I’m preparing for are in two years, so I can’t organize my learning like you said (split in semesters…).

Also, I don’t understand the relationship between what I’m suggesting to Anki and a large part of your answer.

it sounds like you just need to mass-tag your notes by syndrome and use filtered decks with “order added” and search strings like “tag:diabetes is:due” if you just want to review by syndromes but still study new cards in the order of the book/course, or “tag:diabetes (is:due or is:new)” if you want to learn new cards by topic as well.

Edit: sorry, I just repeated what kaiu already mentioned. But to answer your “I don’t understand the relationship between what I’m suggesting to Anki and a large part of your answer.” I guess what we’re both trying to say is that, your suggestion is one way to solve your problem, but it is already solvable by filtered decks so why add a new feature?

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And because I don’t always have time to review all my cards

It’s almost the same for everyone. I’m increasingly assuming you don’t use add-ons.


Here is the addon shown: Editor Live Preview
You should always prepare for the upcoming lecture, even if it’s just flipping through the pages. For us, these are maps. The program screenshot shows that you can sort the list of maps by type, by position (like here now), by tag, and even filter by tag. Then I go to preview. There’s a “1” at the top that I don’t know, so I press Ctrl+1 and it gets flagged. I look at the line below “Hallo” and try to remember the answer. If I remember, I scroll down, quickly look at the map, and if I don’t know the answer, I flag it after scrolling down. Of course, there won’t be any sound, because I can quickly preview (https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/90407377 - In this add-on there will be sound). If I want a full preview, there’s a “Preview” button, but it’s not as convenient. I have to press “Esc,” then mark the map with “Ctrl+1,” and then preview it again using the hotkey “Ctl+Shift+P.”
So, a regular preview without statistics is available in Anki. I use Ankidroid. It has a card list and a great preview. In the card preview mode, it shows me the front side, then the back side, and plays a sound. I can immediately see if I know a card, highlight it, or flag it (Anki doesn’t have this feature in the preview). I usually flag it red because quickly using a star highlights the entire entry, and I’m interested in whether I know a specific card, meaning whether it’s a direct or reverse translation.
So, I quickly run through many cards and mark the ones I need to study. I also see the entry number there. Let’s say I see 1,000 cards in total, and my goal today is to review and choose from 100. I select a flag, then the filtered deck can show me all those flagged cards, and I can study them based on statistics. Yes, they won’t be in the desired position, but if you’re learning enough from previewing, you can do that.

Yes thanks, it could be a good thing to do, in fact I did the opposite (a deck by syndrome, and a tag for each book which talk about the card) but it’s equivalent.

OK, I think I’ve found 2 unclear things that lead to our misunderstanding :

  1. the order I add(ed) the card is not the good order (I re-explain and rephrase it below with other words), so even if I create a filtered deck with “order added” it won’t be good for my review cards
  2. when I add a card, the automatic position attributed (the queue bottom) is a 7 digits position (position of many cards I already learned, so I can’t reposition them to bring the queue bottom down), but the repositioning function only support 6 digits position, so I also can’t reposition new cards in order to insert them between old ones (review/due-cards). I gonna create a specific topic for this problem (and it could solve my big big big problem).

Why the order I add my cards is not good ? Because I don’t choose the books I learn (my “teachers” say : “this semester you will attend to lectures in the amphitheater related to this 5 books, so learn this 5 books”).
So I learn this 5 books, 2 of them talk about diabetes. I mix this two books to create my diabetes-card in the good order (or reposition them because they are new-cards). Then I learn my diabetes cards (from the 2 first books). The following semester, one new book talk about diabetes.

With this new approach of diabetes, I want to create 20 new cards. Some cards belong to the beginning of my actual diabetes deck (which I already learned), some cards belong to “a little bit after” the beginning, some cards belong to “a little bit before” the middle, some for the middle, some for “a little bit after the middle” …
For the moment it’s not a problem, because either my new cards have a logical order among themselves, or they are just isolated cards. So I learn these new cards.

But the following days, weeks… when I want to review diabetes and have my due cards (green-one) in the order (the reason why I selected the “order added” option), but the order of the due cards will be : 2 first books cards, and then my third book cards (which is not logical as I explained above, in italic).

ps : it’s very difficult to not sound ironic in writing and in English haha

I really hope I’m being understandable, and I’m glad to practice my English a little bit.

ohh ok I got it reversed. I thought you wanted the order of the book but that is what you want to avoid. And your “good order” is the.. if I understand correctly, your own arbitrary order, which is not chronological nor structured according to books, but an order that you think makes the most logical sense. This is an uncommon request because usually when people want structure, subdecks and tags suffice. But for your case, having subdecks under each syndrome won’t cut it because your desired order is more specific than the “chunks B after chunks A” kind of granularity. It could be as specific as, “this card has to go after that card”. Did I get this right? At least that’s what I got from your replies, otherwise subdecks or filtered decks from tags should be enough.

I get the urge for structure but is there really an innate structure to information? Knowledge is rarely neatly linear. Usually the pattern that emerges from accumulated knowledge is a networked graph, not even a tree. There is a reason a syndrome is split into several books and revisited again and again. There are two downsides that I can think of with maintaining a linear order: 1) The more information you acquire, the more pieces you have to juggle. So maybe the more you learn, the harder it is and more time you’ll have to spend on thinking where each card should go, and time is quite precious for med students. 2) Your understanding of what makes an order “logical” also shifts the more you know.

So, I wouldn’t (and don’t know how) suggest workflows targeted at linearity. But I can recommend this add-on for order in general. Unfortunately it’s in Chinese but the idea is simple: Look at the 3rd screenshot on the add-on page.

  • On the left is the “Concept Tags” panel. It displays the full hierarchical structure of all tags of the current card. For example if the currently displayed card is tagged with A::a and B::y::5, the left panel shows the full structure of tag A (including non-a branches like A::b, A::c,.. ) and tag B (so B::x, B::y, B::z,…)
  • On the right is the “Descriptor Tags” panel. It displays all the other cards with the same tag (all cards with A::a + all cards with B::y::5). You can preview those cards on hover.

The tags in both panels can be double clicked to view corresponding cards in the card browser. Overall, this system helps you see associations between cards (what other cards share the same concept?), internalize structure (what are the parent/children/siblings of each of the concepts related to the current card?) and create filtered decks for a tag more easily (double-click tags).

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