You’ll probably disagree with me, but I’d rather delay the beta if it means adding tooltips.
Delayed release with tooltips > quick release without tooltips
I said 2 button mode won’t be hated by non-nerds. Normal people like simple stuff.
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It won’t be hated by new users, but it will be hated by already existing users.
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We will be adding this. There is an issue opened.
- As the other person said, not everyone knows about a manual. I didn’t have any idea Poweramp’s app has a manual. Didn’t understand a lot of options there but never consulted anything.
- People search on Google, and Google gives you mostly reddit and forum results. Usability research also shows that people prefer to struggle with something themselves before the consult others.
- People don’t read and that’s normal. People have a real task to do (studying) and they don’t want to do other things. See Myth #1: People read on the web - UX Myths.
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- There would be an option.
- We can make it so that the existing state isn’t updated after an update. Easy.
- Even if we can’t, I don’t care. Because this: Longtermism - Wikipedia
There are more people in the future than this area of time.
Question is, who will do this? Ideally, we want all people to come to one Anki. Not several.
- You don’t want to provide too many options. The goal is to not do that. Now we will also need too many links in landing page. Myth #12: More choices and features result in higher satisfaction - UX Myths
- You cannot leave things to people’s own subjective judgements. A user who will potentially have issues with the regular Anki has no way of knowing that before they actually downloads the app.
- Finding information online will get harder. How do you know what you’re reading applies to beginner Anki?
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I mean the same app, not different apps. E.g. develop a fork with Anki 23.10 and incorporate into it tutorials, functions to simplify buttons and menus, standard add-ons, etc (light ver of Anki). Once users have completed those tutorials and learned basic navigation, they can update Anki to use the latest version Anki24.06.
And this is only for new Anki users, existing Anki users already know how to use Anki, so I think they do not need a simple Anki or tutorial.
If it’s opt-in, then it doesn’t solve the problem with misusing Hard, since people who use Hard, almost by definition, do not use 2 buttons and use 3 or 4.
I think the simplest solution is the one I proposed above, with tooltips that appear when you hover the mouse over a button.
I proposed having a Beginner layout and an Advanced (or whatever you wanna call it, like Professional or something) layout, which could be switched in Tools → Preferences, but it was rejected.
(don’t delete the intersting bits!)
actually it’s still going to update most people. think long term. we will die and next gen will replace us slowly.
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No, for existing users. After an update, a pop-up will show whether they can switch to “two-button answer” or “four-button answer,” this will be included once users installed Anki.
I feel like there’s a caveat to this, especially with Anki’s environment
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By the way I am here. Some features cannot be developed with add-ons so these need to be edited directly by Anki Fork. Anki’s tutorial feature for newbies is one of them, I can develop with an add-on but new users don’t know how to install an add-on. In short I think of it as a kind of advanced add-on, not part of the official Anki for desktop.
Yup, so if you fork Anki and customize it you can incorporate all your requests and solve the problems, that’s open source. It will probably take quite some time for FSRS to become Anki’s default algorithm, so I think Fork is a practical solution.
I mean, if you want to do this, go ahead. FSRS becoming default + 2 button mode is already huge change I think. If you provide an option for showing more options, even non-beginners will be interested. And dae might incorporate those features later here.
Official Anki should still be more easier to use. That issue remains. But maybe a fork isn’t bad idea, if we can find ways to promote it. (Even better if
Dae supports it, I see no reason not to).
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For now I think only new users, existing Anki users already know how to use Anki, so I think they do not need a basic tutorial, and advanced tutorials are possible with add-ons.
Yep I agree, vanilla Anki will always be the best. In the first place add-ons are not essential for learning.
I do not consider promotion to be very important, the purpose of developing this is to create a package for my game add-ons.
E.g. if I introduce my game add-ons to learners who are not Anki users, I have to explain how to download and use Anki, and then how to download and use the add-ons.
If I package Anki, the tutorial, and the add-ons, I can skip all these complicated steps and explanations. If we remove all the game elements from such a Fork, it becomes just a simple Anki tutorial.
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Wow this is really easy! Serious is this not self evident?
You group the buttons that mean “correct” and label that group “Correct” with a background maybe even of light green.
You group the buttons that mean “wrong” and label that group (well just the 1) with a grouping label of “Wrong”.
To make it even clearer, group wrong buttons to the far left and right button on the far right, so visually you know you’re not it is blue pill/redpill type of difference
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I proposed this previously:
(let’s pretend it says Hard-Good-Easy and not Hard-Good-Hard, I screwed up)
It was rejected by Dae.
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Yes this!! 
I think it’s better to have the design itself hint at what these do behind the scenes than to hope people read and understand a tooltip. Personally.
Feel free to try to convince @dae
I have a take on the first suggestion, but my CSS skills are rusty. Taking the first and grouping the buttons with a label
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It takes up a lot of space and the colors distract attention. I liked the option where the again button is a little further from the rest.
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