Anki 24.10 Beta

[vaibhav]

Currently, the PR allows FSRS to schedule <1d intervals only when the learning steps field is empty.

But, in the comment mentioned by @DerIshmaelite, there are talks of allowing this even when the learning steps are set.

[DerIshmaelite]

It depends on how long they are willing to drag this out for. I think the normal current FSRS 5 build will come out first. The <1d scheduling thing will be needing more time, and combining that with some manual steps would complicate things.

But if it would take a long time anyway, might as well do it with the ability to add manual steps whilst also being automated at the same time.

What I envision is that the learning steps remain as they are, allowing the user to change them as they wish, but also allowing automatic same day scheduling as a switch, kind of like how FSRS is enabled. @Expertium That was my plan. I don’t know how feasible this is (from technical difficulties…to a change in formulae…idk)

[sorata]

@DerIshmaelite

What I envision is that the learning steps remain as they are, allowing the user to change them as they wish, but also allowing automatic same day scheduling as a switch, kind of like how FSRS is enabled.

Isn’t that what will happen? If you put learning steps FSRS doesn’t handle short term scheduling, otherwise it does. I thought you wanted <1d intervals even when learning steps are being used.

[DerIshmaelite]

It is indeed. I edited my post for clarification.

[Expertium]

I thought you wanted <1d intervals even when learning steps are being used.

Tbh, it does make sense in some cases. If the user has a 1m learning step, and optimal first intervals are 2 hours, 4 hours, 8 hours, 16 hours, would it really make sense to turn them into 1d, 1d, 1d, 1d instead?
(or even worse, into 1d, 2d, 3d, 4d)

[Aleksej]

It’s not the add-ons. It just doesn’t happen in safe mode. I don’t use syncing.

[DerIshmaelite]

Yes. In my case, I would be only using one learning step (the again interval), while letting the next intervals not be 1d as is the case now, but let the <1d scheduler continue scheduling, if it is enabled that is. If not, then it continues as normal and the next interval is just a 1d interval (graduated to the next day).

What I am asking is that Learning Intervals and FSRS <1d scheduler be independent of each other and should function together, not whilst the other is taken out.

[Expertium]

Right now the plan is to have user-defined learning steps OR <1d intervals given by FSRS, but not both.
(well, right now right now we don’t even have <1d scheduling enabled for FSRS)

[DerIshmaelite]

What does Jarett think of this plan (I am afraid to ping him once more)

Anki 24.10 Beta

Yes. In my case, I would be only using one learning step (the again interval), while letting the next intervals not be 1d as is the case now, but let the <1d scheduler continue scheduling, if it is enabled that is. If not, then it continues as normal and the next interval is just a 1d interval (graduated to the next day). What I am asking is that Learning Intervals and FSRS <1d scheduler be independent of each other and should function together, not whilst the other is taken out.

[Expertium]

@L.M.Sherlock

[Keks]

In this case, users will not be able to opt out of intervals <1d.
If the goal is the most material learning, in the least amount of time, will the intervals <1d contribute to this?

[ivvn]

That exact thing has happened to me. What should I do to be able to study on iPhone?

[oktoberpaard]

To fix it with the current stable version of Anki on your iPhone, you should optimize on your iPhone and save. You can’t use the parameters generated by Anki 24.10 on lower versions of Anki.

[Expertium]

Yes. If the optimal interval for someone is, say, 8 hours, making it 1d will make their retention lower than desired.
Btw, in case you or DerIshmaelite want a special toggle for enabling/disabling <1d intervals, please no. Let’s not add extra complexity and confuse users even more.

[DerIshmaelite]

How would adding a toggle be of great complexity
What do you suggest other than a simple toggle for this

[Keks]

@Expertium

Yes. If the optimal interval for someone is, say, 8 hours, making it 1d will make their retention lower than desired.
Btw, in case you or DerIshmaelite want a special toggle for enabling/disabling <1d intervals, please no. Let’s not add extra complexity and confuse users even more.

The 8h interval sounds like something very inconvenient. It’s hard to imagine that intervals <1d save time.
We don’t necessarily need a switch for this, there is already a setting for this.

Just provide the value that needs to be entered in the field to disable intervals <1d. Alternatively, make a value that indicates that the intervals are controlled by FSRS.

[sorata]

@DerIshmaelite

(I am afraid to ping him once more)

That’s normal. If you were pinging him again I’d be concerned.

edit: by the way, let’s take this chat to another topic. this will become noise in the beta thread.

[Expertium]

Because then instead of lifting the burden of choice off the user’s shoulders, you would make it worse. The user will have to choose between 4 scenarios:

1. Use their own learning steps, disable <1d steps given by FSRS
2. Use their learning steps, enable <1d steps given by FSRS
3. Use whatever intervals FSRS gives them, disable <1d steps given by FSRS
4. Use whatever intervals FSRS gives them, enable <1d steps given by FSRS

I suggest just making learning steps and <1d intervals given by FSRS mutually exclusive, reducing 4 scenarios to 2, which is the current plan.

[Expertium]

@Keks

Alternatively, make a value that indicates that the intervals are controlled by FSRS.

Just leave the field empty, FSRS takes over in that case.

[Keks]

I know that. You misunderstood me.