# New Best Desired Retention for Anki FSRS 5
**URL:** https://forums.ankiweb.net/t/new-best-desired-retention-for-anki-fsrs-5/50662
**Category:** FSRS
**Created:** [October 13, 2024, 2:53pm UTC](https://forums.ankiweb.net/t/new-best-desired-retention-for-anki-fsrs-5/50662 "2024-10-13T14:53:51Z")
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### Author:  [@DerIshmaelite](https://forums.ankiweb.net/u/DerIshmaelite)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2024, 2:53pm UTC](https://forums.ankiweb.net/t/new-best-desired-retention-for-anki-fsrs-5/50662/1 "2024-10-13T14:53:51Z")
I have seen somewhere that the graph for the best-desired-retention-workload has changed, and it turns out that setting it at \>95% is not as nightmarish as it seems.
I would like to ask what is the new best upper limit for a workload : retention ratio (it was 95% for Anki FSRS 4.5)
I believe it would be sensible to update this indicator. @Expertium
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### Author:  [@Expertium](https://forums.ankiweb.net/u/Expertium)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2024, 3:53pm UTC](https://forums.ankiweb.net/t/new-best-desired-retention-for-anki-fsrs-5/50662/2 "2024-10-13T15:53:13Z")
> [@DerIshmaelite](#):
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> I have seen somewhere that the graph for the best-desired-retention-workload has changed, and it turns out that setting it at \>95% is not as nightmarish as it seems.
It’s still nightmarish.
> it was 95% for Anki FSRS 4.5
I have no clue what made you think so, unless that’s the value you got from CMRR. In any case, 95% is not ideal for an _average_ person.
If you want to know what’s a good retention for an _average_ person, you can use the latest 24.10 beta, make a new preset, apply it to a deck with 0 cards, and run CMRR with default FSRS parameters (it also has it’s own parameters for stuff, which is why I said to apply a preset to a deck with no cards). It is currently at 85% for Days to simulate=3650.
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### Author:  [@sorata](https://forums.ankiweb.net/u/sorata)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2024, 4:02pm UTC](https://forums.ankiweb.net/t/new-best-desired-retention-for-anki-fsrs-5/50662/3 "2024-10-13T16:02:36Z")
It’s weird and I don’t get it. Apparently, the workload doesn’t rise as steeply as we thought it did. But for some reason, the CMRR value for the median person hasn’t changed?
How could that be if workload for the same retention has decreased? It leaves you room to increase your DR a bit further.
> [@DerIshmaelite](#):
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> I believe it would be sensible to update this indicator.
That hasn’t changed, interval increase still shows the same behaviour.
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### Author:  [@DerIshmaelite](https://forums.ankiweb.net/u/DerIshmaelite)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2024, 4:05pm UTC](https://forums.ankiweb.net/t/new-best-desired-retention-for-anki-fsrs-5/50662/4 "2024-10-13T16:05:45Z")
Okay…so what exactly has changed ❓
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### Author:  [@sorata](https://forums.ankiweb.net/u/sorata)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2024, 4:09pm UTC](https://forums.ankiweb.net/t/new-best-desired-retention-for-anki-fsrs-5/50662/5 "2024-10-13T16:09:45Z")
Apart from what I said, I believe now minimum limit of retention in CMRR has gone down.
Of course, no idea why. Maybe CMRR is working better, but how did the “Best Desired Retention” for median user didn’t change? Sorry I’m just ranting as I have no idea.
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### Author:  [@DerIshmaelite](https://forums.ankiweb.net/u/DerIshmaelite)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2024, 4:16pm UTC](https://forums.ankiweb.net/t/new-best-desired-retention-for-anki-fsrs-5/50662/6 "2024-10-13T16:16:18Z")
Basic interpretation of what I saw is that less steep, means less workload for the same retention. What I am trying to get at, is workload at 95% retention rate as bad as thought beforehand. ❓ 🤔 Same goes for 96%, 97%, 98%…etc.
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### Author:  [@Expertium](https://forums.ankiweb.net/u/Expertium)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2024, 4:23pm UTC](https://forums.ankiweb.net/t/new-best-desired-retention-for-anki-fsrs-5/50662/7 "2024-10-13T16:23:06Z")
> [@sorata](#):
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> Apart from what I said, I believe now minimum limit of retention in CMRR has gone down.
Well, it was supposed to be 0.70 now, but turns out me and LMSherlock forgot to change another part of the code 😅
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### Author:  [@system](https://forums.ankiweb.net/u/system)
#### Post date: [November 12, 2024, 4:23pm UTC](https://forums.ankiweb.net/t/new-best-desired-retention-for-anki-fsrs-5/50662/8 "2024-11-12T16:23:10Z")
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