# Accessibility Questions - (using Anki if you need to use Assistive Technology like screen readers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Help\ **Created:** [February 26, 2022, 6:13am UTC](https://forums.ankiweb.net/t/accessibility-questions-using-anki-if-you-need-to-use-assistive-technology-like-screen-readers/17856 "2022-02-26T06:13:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Alexbbrown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c77e96/32.png) [@Alexbbrown](https://forums.ankiweb.net/u/Alexbbrown)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2022, 6:13am UTC](https://forums.ankiweb.net/t/accessibility-questions-using-anki-if-you-need-to-use-assistive-technology-like-screen-readers/17856/1 "2022-02-26T06:13:25Z")
Hi. I love this app and recently used it to pass a citizenship test! Thanks! I have some blind friends I was telling about Anki (and the mobile App) and they wanted to use it. I tried helping them to use my copy on iPhone using Apple VoiceOver and the support is not at the level I would like it to be to recommend they buy it. There are parts of the app that you can’t navigate into and out of at all, and using the core study function of reading the front, reading the back and rating the answer is not a smooth experience at all. Are there some guides or resources for using Anki if you are blind, on any platform? Would you want me to file issues here for issues that make using Anki app difficult when using assistive technologies such as Voiceover? ---
**Author:** ![BlackBeans](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex002/user_avatar/forums.ankiweb.net/blackbeans/32/2283_2.png) [@BlackBeans](https://forums.ankiweb.net/u/BlackBeans)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2022, 12:28pm UTC](https://forums.ankiweb.net/t/accessibility-questions-using-anki-if-you-need-to-use-assistive-technology-like-screen-readers/17856/2 "2022-02-26T12:28:21Z")
> [@Alexbbrown](#): > > Are there some guides or resources for using Anki if you are blind, on any platform? I am unaware of such resources, although I have found an [old thread](https://forums.ankiweb.net/t/anki-mobile-accessibility-for-the-fully-blind/2186/2) about this same topic. The conclusion was that indeed Anki Mobile and Anki Desktop were not fully accessible to blind people, although @DoctorToBeIn23 seemed positive it is possible to make it accessible (talking about Anki Mobile). > [@Alexbbrown](#): > > the support is not at the level I would like it to be to recommend they buy it. That was also the conclusion of the main Anki developer, in that thread. > [@Alexbbrown](#): > > Would you want me to file issues here for issues that make using Anki app difficult when using assistive technologies such as Voiceover? I think it would be a great idea to put all the required modifications to enhance Anki’s accessibility in one place, and since I have the impression this has been done nowhere else, this is a good place to start! ---
**Author:** ![Alexbbrown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c77e96/32.png) [@Alexbbrown](https://forums.ankiweb.net/u/Alexbbrown)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2022, 1:52am UTC](https://forums.ankiweb.net/t/accessibility-questions-using-anki-if-you-need-to-use-assistive-technology-like-screen-readers/17856/3 "2022-02-27T01:52:18Z")
Issue: iOS 15.4 / iPhone 12 / Anki 20.83 Location: Review Screen Pressing the Gear Icon shows a modal. This modal has multiple interaction problems: 1. Two finger Scrub (aka Back) does NOT close the modal. In fact, it’s not possible to exit the modal at all in VoiceOver mode. Probably this sheet should capture the sheet Cancel action and respond to it. (I’m not familiar with this API) 2. Two finger scrub (aka Back) is sent to the view Underneath the modal. This is a common problem and means the modal sheet view should be marked with `accessibilityViewIsModal` or equivalent. References: > **[Use VoiceOver gestures on iPhone](https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/use-voiceover-gestures-iph3e2e2281/ios)** > > With VoiceOver on iPhone, scan the screen with your finger and use gestures to perform actions or hear more information. > Dismiss an alert or return to the previous screen > Two-finger scrub (move two fingers back and forth three times quickly, making a “z”) > **[accessibilityViewIsModal | Apple Developer Documentation](https://developer.apple.com/documentation/objectivec/nsobject/1615089-accessibilityviewismodal/)** > > A Boolean value that indicates whether VoiceOver ignores the accessibility elements within views that are siblings of the element. > `var accessibilityViewIsModal: Bool { get set }` > The default value for this property is `false` . When the value of this property is `true` , VoiceOver ignores the accessibility elements within the sibling views of the receiving view. > For example, in a window that contains sibling views A and B, setting `accessibilityViewIsModal` to `true` on view B causes VoiceOver to ignore the accessibility elements in view A. However, if view B contains a child view C and you set `accessibilityViewIsModal` to `true` on view C, VoiceOver does _not_ ignore the accessibility elements in view A. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex002/uploads/anki2/original/2X/9/9deffbf25b31ef5c184e1f74834b4bb76803cbdb.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Alexbbrown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c77e96/32.png) [@Alexbbrown](https://forums.ankiweb.net/u/Alexbbrown)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2022, 4:26pm UTC](https://forums.ankiweb.net/t/accessibility-questions-using-anki-if-you-need-to-use-assistive-technology-like-screen-readers/17856/4 "2022-02-27T16:26:00Z")
Suggestion: iOS 15.4 / iPhone 12 / Anki 20.83 Location: Review Screen In review mode, on the front side of the card, the whole reading surface is effectively a hidden but un-named button for voiceover. This is not a familiar paradigm for blind users. While this behavior can be learned, it might be good to have the option to add an explicit named button “reveal answer” or similar in the bottom bar, like on the desktop app. This would be easy and familiar for a blind person to find on iOS in voiceover mode by sliding a finger along the bottom of the screen, and be more clear than the “hidden” and un-named interaction that’s everywhere. This would also be good because it would help orient the user who can learn to understand that they are on the front side vs the back (vs the deck screen) by the set of buttons available. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex002/uploads/anki2/original/2X/0/0f58dd056b076b279ef3abf9b253002e566d4e91.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Alexbbrown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c77e96/32.png) [@Alexbbrown](https://forums.ankiweb.net/u/Alexbbrown)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2022, 4:34pm UTC](https://forums.ankiweb.net/t/accessibility-questions-using-anki-if-you-need-to-use-assistive-technology-like-screen-readers/17856/5 "2022-02-27T16:34:29Z")
Issue: iOS 15.4 / iPhone 12 / Anki 20.83 Location: Review Screen The front side and back side screens are not labeled as such and might be hard to distinguish for the blind user. The sighted user can quickly scan the card to look for familiar cues but that’s harder for the blind user to do easily. I suggest adding an accessibility title “front side” and “back side” to these cards. This need not be visible on-screen. The new element should be the first thing focused (accessibility focus) when a new card is revealed. ---
**Author:** ![Alexbbrown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c77e96/32.png) [@Alexbbrown](https://forums.ankiweb.net/u/Alexbbrown)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2022, 5:00pm UTC](https://forums.ankiweb.net/t/accessibility-questions-using-anki-if-you-need-to-use-assistive-technology-like-screen-readers/17856/6 "2022-02-27T17:00:25Z")
Suggestion: iOS 15.4 / iPhone 12 / Anki 20.83 Location: Review Screen I saw you support gamepads. That’s an amazing accessibility feature just by itself I strongly suggest you also support rotors! What’s a rotor? A rotor is a quick way to access a menu of common actions for the page or currently selected items. It’s like right click for voiceover. When a specific rotor is selected, swiping up and down moves through the rotors commands and double tap activates it. By adding an action rotor that just contains the most important elements for each side and card you could drastically improve accessibility usability. Eg: back of card: again, hard, good, easy, show front Eg: front of card; reveal, undo, bury The implementation would be basically the same as for gamepad and gestures that already exist in your app Note: while gestures sound like they would be good for voiceover accessibility users, they are typically not available because voiceover takes over screen taps and swipes for its own interactions! Here’s a video explaining how to add them: > **[VoiceOver efficiency with custom rotors - WWDC20 - Videos - Apple Developer](https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2020/10116/)** > > Discover how you can integrate custom rotors and help people who use VoiceOver navigate complex situations within your app. Learn how... Here’s an article about rotors > **[Improving accessibility for iOS app — part 2](https://medium.com/snowdog-labs/improving-accessibility-for-ios-app-part-2-33a0ecd9a500)** > > Last week we talked about accessibility basics on iOS, on how to adapt your User Interface for VoiceOver and other assistive technologies… I suggest adding a new rotor called actions or anki that contains actions that make sense on this side of the card, such as Reveal, go back, bury. Additional rotors for less frequently used actions eg edits could be added also ---
**Author:** ![dae](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex002/user_avatar/forums.ankiweb.net/dae/32/65_2.png) [@dae](https://forums.ankiweb.net/u/dae)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2022, 11:01am UTC](https://forums.ankiweb.net/t/accessibility-questions-using-anki-if-you-need-to-use-assistive-technology-like-screen-readers/17856/7 "2022-02-28T11:01:06Z")
Thanks for the detailed feedback Alex, I’ll look into this further when I get a chance. ---
**Author:** ![Alexbbrown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c77e96/32.png) [@Alexbbrown](https://forums.ankiweb.net/u/Alexbbrown)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2022, 4:59pm UTC](https://forums.ankiweb.net/t/accessibility-questions-using-anki-if-you-need-to-use-assistive-technology-like-screen-readers/17856/8 "2022-02-28T16:59:29Z")
Suggestion: iPhone 12, iOS 15.4, Anki 20.83 Use accessibility default focus to prioritize content **Initial Focus should be on the content** Currently, when a new front or back of card is revealed, the first thing the blind user hears is: “Button” and the focus is on the gear icon near the bottom of the oage OR “Decks, button” and the focus is in the top toolbar This is hard to understand, and does not deliver the most relevant content, which would ideally be the question or the answer (and a label to say which of front/question or back/answer it is, as stated elsewhere) expected:, I suggest that accessibility focus should begin in the card content area, on the first bit of text. It should first read a label describing the context, and then immediately read the first line of the content area. For a good example, see how mail messages are read: after opening a message in apples mail app, voiceover reads: “_Mail_” // only if I’m switching into mail app RN “_Message content_” // describes where we are in the view and what the content is of “_Hey alex_” // starts reading the content-it has skipped the from, to, cc and subject: they can be accessed as desired later. I know I can swipe right to hear the next bit of content “_Actions available_” // I know I can swipe up and down and double tap to find and execute actions like reply, flag, activate Screenshot of mail app showing message interface with first content highlighted with voiceover cursor and subtitles showing what voiceover is speaking: ![Screenshot of mail app showing message interface with first content highlighted and subtitles showing what voiceover is speaking](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex002/uploads/anki2/original/2X/d/d6241378abfde83989124465f20b89aba7f43ef5.jpeg) screenshot of Anki app showing front of card interface with first toolbar button highlighted with voiceover cursor and subtitles showing what voiceover is speaking ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex002/uploads/anki2/original/2X/5/510afc3976b84d417da6ae516a4ff8ba079a65bc.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Alexbbrown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c77e96/32.png) [@Alexbbrown](https://forums.ankiweb.net/u/Alexbbrown)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2022, 5:16pm UTC](https://forums.ankiweb.net/t/accessibility-questions-using-anki-if-you-need-to-use-assistive-technology-like-screen-readers/17856/9 "2022-02-28T17:16:53Z")
Thank you Dae for your wonderful app. I look forward to any improvements you have time to make. Do you mainly code the app in swift, objective-c or web technologies? I know accessibility techniques and APIs vary across these platforms, and if I need to add notes on preferred APIs for voiceover it would be helpful to know. ---
**Author:** ![dae](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex002/user_avatar/forums.ankiweb.net/dae/32/65_2.png) [@dae](https://forums.ankiweb.net/u/dae)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 10:26am UTC](https://forums.ankiweb.net/t/accessibility-questions-using-anki-if-you-need-to-use-assistive-technology-like-screen-readers/17856/10 "2022-03-02T10:26:35Z")
The UI is a combination of Swift and webviews. The main review area is a webview - does iOS provide a way for webviews to indicate the initial focus? ---
**Author:** ![DoctorToBeIn23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@DoctorToBeIn23](https://forums.ankiweb.net/u/DoctorToBeIn23)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2022, 6:38pm UTC](https://forums.ankiweb.net/t/accessibility-questions-using-anki-if-you-need-to-use-assistive-technology-like-screen-readers/17856/11 "2022-04-24T18:38:41Z")
The tts function works very well if coded in the card template. However not sure about navigating the application. ---
**Author:** ![dae](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex002/user_avatar/forums.ankiweb.net/dae/32/65_2.png) [@dae](https://forums.ankiweb.net/u/dae)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2022, 4:27am UTC](https://forums.ankiweb.net/t/accessibility-questions-using-anki-if-you-need-to-use-assistive-technology-like-screen-readers/17856/12 "2022-04-29T04:27:51Z")
I spent some time the other day digging into this without success unfortunately. accessibilityViewIsModal did not help with leaving the tools screen, though we shouldn’t be guiding the user there in the first place. I didn’t have any luck trying to get iOS to focus on the card content by default either, and VoiceOver seems to skip over card content when the content is updated on card transition. I tried various things to get the focus away from the tools button, but did not have any luck there either. It remains on the todo list to take another stab at when I have a chance, but even with some quality of life fixes, the app is probably going to require someone to assist with initial setup. ---
**Author:** ![LilyM](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex002/user_avatar/forums.ankiweb.net/lilym/32/10564_2.png) [@LilyM](https://forums.ankiweb.net/u/LilyM)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2022, 11:23pm UTC](https://forums.ankiweb.net/t/accessibility-questions-using-anki-if-you-need-to-use-assistive-technology-like-screen-readers/17856/13 "2022-08-13T23:23:51Z")
I am a blind iPhone user interested in using Anki. I use the screen reader voiceover. I have seen a post on here and applevis noting inaccessible aspects of both the web and mobile app. Before taking the plunge to buy the app, I want to know if any accessibility updates have been made to improve how well screen reader users are able to navigate the app. While I am predominantly interested in the mobile app, if anyone has any feedback on how accessible (or not) Anki is using voiceover on Mac, I would be interested in that information as well. Thanks ---
**Author:** ![dae](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex002/user_avatar/forums.ankiweb.net/dae/32/65_2.png) [@dae](https://forums.ankiweb.net/u/dae)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 2:22am UTC](https://forums.ankiweb.net/t/accessibility-questions-using-anki-if-you-need-to-use-assistive-technology-like-screen-readers/17856/14 "2022-08-15T02:22:34Z")
I’m afraid I can not recommend it at this time, as there are a number of issues with accessibility that I’m not sure how to resolve. For basic cards, you may find you have more success with [ankiweb.net](http://ankiweb.net), as that’s browser-based and your screen reader may work better with it. ---
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